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Paul Daugherty has been an Enquirer sports columnist since 1994 and has been chronicling Cincinnati sports since 1988. He has covered almost every major sporting event in America, as well as five Summer Olympics. Along the way, he has been named one of the country's top-5 sports columnists four times, and Ohio columnist of the year on seven different occasions. Last year, he was voted 2nd-best sports columnist in the country, by the Associated Press Sports Editors.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Wayne Krivsky, Part 2

Wayne Krivsky was fired because ownership tired of writing checks to players who no longer played or who were paid too much for what they contribute now. See: Freel, Patterson, Coffey. Maybe more, though, he was fired because his people skills lacked. Wayne was a very territorial GM, who didnt always play well with others. That trait cost the Reds some good people, not the least of whom was Johnny Almaraz, the scout who found Johnny Cueto, among many, many others.

It must also be said that Wayne made some very good moves here... Brandon Phillips, Josh Hamilton, Arroyo for Wily Mo, Keppinger for a Class A pitcher, David Ross, Hatteberg, Burton in Rule 5 etc...

The danger with this coming when it did is (1) when you fire a GM, it's not like firing a manager... you essentially fire his support people as well...scouts, advisors etc... Front office continuity is a trait of successful clubs. See: Atlanta, Minnesota. The Reds front office is a carousel. That needs to stop.

Also, the draft is less than 2 months away... what do wayne's people do? Do they stay on? Are they let go? If they stay, how enthusiastic will they be, knowing they'll likely be out of work at the end of the year?

I got along well with Wayne, though he was as close to the vest, borderline paranoid a guy as I've dealt with. Sometimes, his silence was very effective: The Reds got F. Cordero before the Brewers even knew Cincinnati was interested. But it could also be off-putting.

I wish Wayne the best. I think he's a good baseball guy. Maybe scouting better suits his temperament.


22 Comments:

at 11:01 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great. Now we have the guy who the Cardinals let go because he couldn't develop minor league talent and because he didn't believe in modern day baseball statistical evaluation. Might as well bring back Jim Bowden.

 
at 11:11 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

This became inevitable when Jocketty was hired. Krivsky was a stop gap from the jump. Still, to do it now speaks of serious friction or dysfunction in the front office. My question is: is our owner a Queen of Hearts, Steinbrenner-esque "off with their heads type"?

 
at 11:47 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not saying that Walt Jocketty is the savior, but over a 13 year period he won the division seven times, two NL pennants, and a world series title. To compare Walt Jocketty to Jim Bowden is ludicrous in my opinion

 
at 12:22 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have always been hot and cold with WK. He's cost the Reds a lot of money on contracts, but he's also found some great talent for next to nothing. In the long run I think we just about broke even. Bob has to take some responsibility on the contracts because he signs off on all the moves. WK's people skills were poor - he never seemed to endear himself to the fans.

With the Jock, I hope he can establish some continuity in the organization. It's been hell over the last few years with new owners, new GMs and new managers. Hopefully Bob, Dusty and Walt can all get on the same page and start this ship in the right direction. Or maybe the Reds can start to hit.

Brad

 
at 12:34 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Paul don't be so damn wishy-washy all of the time. Wayne Krivsky was a terrible GM. Of course he made a few good moves but would you like me to list all of the bad ones for you? It would take a couple of pages. Lets make it easy 72-90 and off to more of same with the same players basically as last year.

David Ross and Bronson Arroyo were good signings? I think I would have them on my list of bad moves. How much is Ross making? and Arroyo, how much for how long? C'mon Paul, you don't need to cry every time someone loses their job in sports. Its the nature of the game.
As for Krivsky's advisors...good riddance if they are partly responsible for the product on the field. I doubt that any scouts are going to bail on Jocketty if they are worth being here.
St CSA

 
at 12:42 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Success in the front office and continuity in player development is key for the Reds. I wonder if Bob C runs his other businesses this way? Also, I wonder how many of the top prospects like Bruce and Cueto were brought in by O'Brien as opposed to Krivsky.

 
at 12:45 PM Blogger Unknown said...

Krivsky was fired because he let the mighty Jorge Cantu go!

 
at 12:48 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Firing him for "not playing well with others" is the worst reason I can think of. I'm assuming the people he didn't play well with have been sitting there watching the Reds stink for the last 15 years. As for plaayers getting paid for no production, does Castellini expect us to beleive that he didn't sign off on every deal? Bob needs to understand that this isn't like canning a guy for buying a truckload of rotten bananas - he's in the big time now.

 
at 12:48 PM Blogger Pete14Fan said...

I am neither happy nor sad to see Krivsly go. He did some good and some bad. What I do know is that neither Wayne Krivsky or Jocketty are going to get Adam Dunn to stop being an over paid lazy oaf nor are either of them going to end the seemingly endless (except for last night) offfensive malaise.

 
at 12:56 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've always been distrustful of the "close-to-the-vest" types, whether it's sports, business, whatever.
Marvin Lewis, Mike Brown, Jerry Narron, Huggie, etc.

What're they hiding??

Krivsky seemed to feel Public Relations wasn't part of his job - don't understand that attitude.

 
at 2:16 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes, I agree, letting Jorge Cantu go would be one of the many straws that eventually broke the camel's back.

 
at 2:18 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wayne Krivsky is a good baseball man, it's just that the GM position requires people skills he doesn't seem to have. He'll do fine as an assistant G.M. or somewhere in the baseball bureaucracy but not as the top dog. Jocketty brings much more experience and sophistication to the job and we can expect some big moves down the road because Bob is hellbent to win now.

 
at 3:28 PM Blogger matty buckets said...

Kriv giving out bad contracts are only one problem. It is early, but passing on Linceum to take Stubbs in 2006 isn't looking good. Taking a high school catcher last year in the first round was questionable at best.

 
at 3:31 PM Blogger anti-media said...

Paul,call it the way it was...W.K. was an arrogant,incompetent misfit!!Yes to Bob C.,I will start buying tickets TODAY !!! GREAT NEWS....we now have a chance to get better !!

 
at 8:18 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to disgree with your comment on radio that Krisvky was not a people person. He was outgoing and friendly. Of course, when media asked him sensitive questions about "impending" moves, trades, callups, etc. he was close to the vest. You have to be in that role as G.M. !! You can't broadcast your your intentions to all the other MLB teams by way of media interviews. Just because he was guarded with information, what do you expect him to do? Tip off what the front office was thinking about doing? Media often thinks others should destroy their strategy (and ruin the future) so they (media) can get a sound byte. Put yourself in his shoes, Paul.

 
at 8:19 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul, I believe when Jocketty was hired you brought up the propect of Krivsky looking over his shoulder. Now, you say you don't think Jocketty was brought in to take over at the first sign of problems. Well, to that I say: They didn't bring in Jocketty to sell hotdogs....Of course he was being groomed to take over. A 12 year old Little Leaguer could tell you that.

 
at 8:52 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

He helped turn a terrible, terrible minor league system into one of the best. His one mistake was failing to utilize that system with an inpatient GM. He waited too long.

Jay Bruce should be starting in Center and leading off, Homer Bailey in the rotation, and Bill Bray in the pen.

Not rocket science.

 
at 9:18 PM Blogger Unknown said...

I thought the Jockety Comment, "I'm charged up and ready to go and I think this organization is going in the right direction" is interesting...because when Wayne took over, this organization was going absolutely nowhere. Dan O had a couple nice drafts that kick started the turnaround, and then Wayne made a number of awesome moves that ultimately put us where we are now.

You gotta look at the potential lineup Krivsky was going for (with Bruce and Bailey coming up soon) and you got a really solid young core that can win now, and win more in the next few years. If we do turn it around with THIS team, Krivsky should get the credit.

 
at 9:52 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Yeah Paul, Krivsky was 50-50 with his player moves. Krivsky Hall Of Fame:
Joe Mays, Estaban Yan, Mike Burns, Jason Johnson, Chris Hammond, Brad Salmon, Jason McBeth, Rheal Cormier, Mike Stanton, Bronson Arroyo, Todd Hollandsworth, Mark Bellhorn, Corie Patterson, Ricky Stone, Jason Ellison, Ben Coats, Todd Coffey, Juan Castro, DeWayne Wise, Brandon Watson, Rick White, Sun Woo Kim, Quinton McCracken, David Ross, Pedro Lopez, Alex Gonzalez, Gary Majewski, Royce Clayton, Bill Bray, Ryan Freel and I am sure I am leaving many out.

On the plus side: Phillips, Volquez and Keppinger was an accident but just to balance the sheet, lets give Wayne credit. That looks about even to me.
ST CSA

 
at 10:04 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to laugh when I hear someone say, "He made alot of good trades, but also a few bad ones". Hey! No Kidding ! That's what happens when you have an active GM who takes some chances. Show me the GM has made only good moves and never a bad one...he doesn't exist! Krivsky did some outstanding work in the 2 years he was General Manger of the Reds.

 
at 8:28 AM Blogger Unknown said...

I think the handwriting was on the wall when Jocketty was hired. Everyone knew it....probably Krivsky knew it more than anyone -- if he didn't produce and produce fast.

He didn't have a fast turn-around, so he's gone. We have a worse record today with better pitching than we did last year at the same time. It was the excuse that was needed.

Krivsky gets credit for farm system rebuilding and farm level trades. He gets partial credit for Hamilton (most really goes to Narron's personal contact with Hamilton), credit for Volquez, and some credit for Phillips.

The bottom line is that into his third year he has a losing record. This team, as currently configured, is not a winner this year.

The really good news out of this, at least to me, is that it makes me believe that Castellini REALLY wants to win. With Cincy pro teams (and one college basketball team I can think of), it isn't a given that the head management cares about winning.

 
at 9:07 AM Blogger Unknown said...

Jocketty says he wants a positive, winning attitude and atmosphere.

I agree with him.

I noticed it on some game I was watching last week, I think. There was a Reds homer. I don't even remember who hit it. Around the bases. Who was there at home plate to greet the batter?

Not one soul.

He got a high five on the way to the dugout and one or two as he stepped in.

It was so subdued that it struck me as odd. Honestly, the thought that came to my mind was, "these guys aren't fired up at all."

Go to work. Put in you time. Punch the clock. I'm sure there have been winning teams like that in the past. But I'm also sure they weren't a lot of fun to be on or to watch.

 
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